Got bit by a Dog

[deepakvrao]

I have only looked at this issue from a cyclist point of view and my solutions are also from the same side. If you guys want to discuss this as General topic from "National" and "WHO" statistics point of view then please continue with this discussion till eternity as nothing is going to come out of it

you really are thinking challenged

ciao
gr

LOL.

Vinay, why have you stopped feeding the dogs since three months?

[cryptic_abbreviator]

@Cryptic - Ive seen your thinking level, I'm happy with mine.

your biscuit deprived dogs face read and you can mind read. you should be very happy. what are you smoking ?BTW I'm surprised that you see that i am thinking level

ciao
gr

[vinay_talks]

@ Deepak - I only feed them when I carry any biscuits.

You guys carry on with your "Important discussion" Its not worth my time anymore. I'd rather make friendship with dogs at least that ensures in them becoming more friendly with people around. In that way I'm doing my bit.

[bblost]

Is it just me or did everyone who read gr's posts understand them the first time itself.

@Vinay....you have done the impossible.

[Minkey Chief]

your biscuit deprived dogs face read and you can mind read. you should be very happy. what are you smoking ?

I don't (EDIT: wholly) subscribe to either the bleeding hearts camp or the bleeding dogs camp, but I have to say that he has a point. Dogs are acutely sensitive to human body language, and to a large extent facial expressions as well. And I mean subtle cues, not stuff like "Oh his hand is raised, so he is going to throw a stone."

[shankarbn]

@Shankar...why did you get insulted. It was not meant for anyone in particular.

I didn't get insulted, you made an insulting statement. There's a small but important difference.

@Shankar - Do you have a solution? If not, then don't ask others to move, I will say what I have to say. I don't need your attitude, I've got my own

Obviously, you're too cool to read earlier posts before barking off your emo comments on how everyone who goes against you is wrong. Perhaps your attitude is messing with your ability to read too? My solution is to kill those dogs.

I'd definitely not hesitate to kill a stray insane dog if it bit me. It is self defense. Period. All those PETA or sympathy for animals people can get bitten, get some horrible disease, die a horrible death and then talk about sympathy. Say if a stray insane human bites you, would you be sympathetic? No, right? How are stray insane dogs special then?

And if dogs have a genetic problem of hating humans because it was humans who were originally the ones who brought up the whole hate thingy... epic facepalm! Your life is in danger because a stray insane dog wants to bite you to death and you're even thinking about being nice and solve a problem that has been haunting dogs and humans for generations? What are you on?

I have only looked at this issue from a cyclist point of view and my solutions are also from the same side. If you guys want to discuss this as General topic from "National" and "WHO" statistics point of view then please continue with this discussion till eternity as nothing is going to come out of it

you really are thinking challenged

ciao
gr

+1. So we either accept your solution or nothing will come out of this discussion? Why do you take us hating dogs so personally?

[Minkey Chief]

I agree completely that feeding dogs is problematic. Sure, it'll mean that dogs learn that bikers are a source of food (hopefully not in themselves!) and might be more welcoming to the next biker. But they also learn that they have a right to human food, and the next time they see a kid eating a biscuit, they are much more likely to attack the kid to get it.

[Minkey Chief]

People (rightly, I suppose) get very emotional about this, but then start missing each others' points. The bleeding hearts camp talks about doggie love and human-like trusting brown doe eyes, missing the maulings, rabies and the fact that this is a serious civic problem.

The bleeding dogs camp gets all militant and screams for canine blood, missing that it isn't the individual bliddy dogs' fault, and also totally missing the point when they are told how to deal with an attacking dog. Just because someone tells you how to survive a mugging, doesn't mean that they are condoning a society where street robberies are common.

I guess this is my personal problem with the dog hate. That people get so hateful and angry with the dogs, when that anger should be directed at the people and systems that are supposed to control the dogs. (We've had a nearly identical discussion in the past on BZ.)

[Minkey Chief]

(We've had a nearly identical discussion in the past on BZ.)

Oops I think it was the same one! Revived thread with new combatants.

[hitanshu]

I guess this is my personal problem with the dog hate. That people get so hateful and angry with the dogs, when that anger should be directed at the people and systems that are supposed to control the dogs. (We've had a nearly identical discussion in the past on BZ.)

Moving on from that lovely summary.
Two brief things :
1. I know two bicyclists who've fallen n had fractures courtesy dog bites. Wonder if the dog lovers will pool in for those treatment costs? Personally I think rnair, gr, and shankarbn are on the money.

2. Vinay, once you come off your smug high horse, maybe you'll see animal lovers like me who find strays an uncontrolled urban problem. I can't find or paste my exact problem and unfortunately it transcends your general appeasement theory. The critter attacks from the rear (so much for reading my body language) and doesn't respond to freaking commands or anything - i won't carry biscuits). I even bought a crappy dog whistle which just dings my ear drums but didn't mollify even the peace loving dogs in my colony one bit. Any better suggestions?

Bonus Question - while we're all bleeding heart over dogs, why not bring stray harmless snake species (they kill rats for instance) or even pigs? They never attack humans and frankly clean up our shit too!!! Monkeys? They're our genetic brothers??!! Where does this end?

Big hint: as rnair says, most other countries have no strays. And most of them are way less f^<ked up than India on development scores. Terrible coincidence, no?

Ps- bblost my man, your agreement with vinay was less to be the bleeding heart camp but more of a 'chance pe behti ganga mai dance' comment on the bleeding dog camp. Way uncool.

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[bubbu64]

I only feed them when I carry any biscuits.

@vinay_talks What happens when you forget to carry them? You get bitten as a reminder?

[shankarbn]

People (rightly, I suppose) get very emotional about this, but then start missing each others' points. The bleeding hearts camp talks about doggie love and human-like trusting brown doe eyes, missing the maulings, rabies and the fact that this is a serious civic problem.

The bleeding dogs camp gets all militant and screams for canine blood, missing that it isn't the individual bliddy dogs' fault, and also totally missing the point when they are told how to deal with an attacking dog. Just because someone tells you how to survive a mugging, doesn't mean that they are condoning a society where street robberies are common.

I guess this is my personal problem with the dog hate. That people get so hateful and angry with the dogs, when that anger should be directed at the people and systems that are supposed to control the dogs. (We've had a nearly identical discussion in the past on BZ.)

+1. Its the bloody stray, insane, rabid dogs that are a problem. Not your coochiecoo darling german shepherd eating your biscuits at home. Don't take it personally when we say put down those rabid dogs - we're not against ALL dogs!

And hell yes, if we direct all this hate at those civic authorities who are supposed to do something about it, we would live in an ideal world. But then again, we wouldn't have to discuss this problem in an ideal world.

[cryptic_abbreviator]

Dogs are acutely sensitive to human body language, and to a large extent facial expressions as well. And I mean subtle cues, not stuff like "Oh his hand is raised, so he is going to throw a stone."

Yes ofc, MC Sir, But IMHO surely not extending to this.

Sometimes our inhuman thoughts are so evident on our faces!! May be the dogs are able to read them clearly - hehe

[They are not ofc humans and do not think like humans. and AFAIK do not entertain the canid equivalent of "buri nazar wale, tera muh kaala/ pichadi mera" thoughts]

WRT what you said, unsuprisingly so do wolves. The episode of my life is a zoo that was airing yesterday talked of wolves being far more intelligent and watchful than dogs (and the wolves stole a go pro camera when no one was watching)

from the same article, "Dogs don’t have to read our minds. Dogs read our behavior,” said Dr. Udell. Again yes ofc. I have several demos from Mr D and the wife on dogs (unknown strays and collared pets) going from all snarly to all friendly (does not work with the much favored flat living middle class canine delight the pomeranian) .

I know the theory but have not been able to successfully implement it. No matter how much Cesar Milan I watch. But then again I have not taken self defense lessons, or pack a pistol for muggers, moronic drivers etc.

I rely on laws, civic sense and the general law abiding nature of the good citizenry of Hyd for my continued well being.

So while I am currently not in either of the "bleeding" camps I cant help pointing out that there are too many strays around, and that it is a problem that needs to be addressed.

ciao
gr

[cryptic_abbreviator]

from the earlier thread

this is a nice read and also this

there is this post by doc

and also this BBC report

One of the key problem to any attempt discussion on control is notions such as "I tell you from my own experience that, These dogs are more human than we can think. They exhibit every human emotion joy sorrow etc even depression & revenge" or far far worse "And what about stray people who live on the streets???? nobody talks about them!!! They pose a far more danger than the dogs"

and before you come around pasting .gifs or whatever please take a moment to read this post by MC from the old thread

ciao
gr

[kk27]

Big hint: as rnair says, most other countries have no strays. And most of them are way less f^<ked up than India on development scores. Terrible coincidence, no?

hahaha!!! Let's hope someone calculates the correlation Coefficient to this!! This for me the Gem of this year! something for the Dog lovers & stray dogs to be happy about

+1. Its the bloody stray, insane, rabid dogs that are a problem.

Not each & every stray are rabid dogs? BTW an animal cannot be Insane...that's why it's an Animal right??? BTW if there is really a rabid, diseased dog then you can inform Ahimsa, They'll do the needful. Usually an incurable dog is put to sleep, but that doesn't mean it need to be administered to all the strays right! A Death Sentence is not a solution for all crimes right!

I completely agree to Cheif, most just tend to loose sight.... & expect sanity from an animal!! & it's true for both sides. Off those dog bites 40% are from regular Pets, so later that will become an issue! If a pet dog bites you who do you kill? Dog or Owner? My only objection is to extremist behaviour, Dog is an animal & will behave like one. When a Dog chases a weirdly Colourful dressed man with an unusual head on a bike, that dog cannot be deemed aggressive or rabid!

[DJD]

by kk27 » 15 minutes ago

Big hint: as rnair says, most other countries have no strays. And most of them are way less f^<ked up than India on development scores. Terrible coincidence, no?

hahaha!!! Let's hope someone calculates the correlation Coefficient to this!!

I hazard a guess. GDP of country vs number of strays. R squared -0.92 (p<0.001)

[cryptic_abbreviator]

Dog is an animal & will behave like one. When a Dog chases a weirdly Colourful dressed man with an unusual head on a bike, that dog cannot be deemed aggressive or rabid!

Surely you are not that conceited to believe that people on here are so utterly misinformed about what rabies is ?

(Hopefully you know it is a viral disease, and that dogs are known reservoirs for that virus - (without necessarily being affected by it or displaying symptoms of rabies. And that once a human develops symptoms of rabies he is most certainly in for a very painful death with no known cure)

If a pet dog bites you who do you kill? Dog or Owner?

and that IMHO it does not merit discussion.

ciao
gr

[abhi]

KK, Getting a control on their breeding and numbers actually improves their quality of life. How many have you adopted yourself and brought inside your home. If they stayed in reasonable numbers their own quality of lives get better. They don't have to live the petty lives they live now.

Actually the animal lovers do nothing for the dogs as well as humans who get bitten or killed. They just have soft hearts and no solutions but a huge cause to bolster their animal loving egos.

Currently there are many animals in the wild too whose culling is actually appreciated by the same animal loving organizations and wildlife experts.

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When a Dog chases a weirdly Colourful dressed man with an unusual head on a bike, that dog cannot be deemed aggressive or rabid!

What are you saying man! So if a dog chasing a man, causing him to crash, bite and kill is all ok because it is very doggy behavior. But if the same human being decides to protect itself, it is animal behavior.

Seriously! Use your head to think and not heart.

The day judicial system starts working for a common man in your backyard everything will fall in place. Right now your own lives is as bad as the dogs in your metros with no street hygiene in any of the suburbs. If I could place one law suit on civic authorities with a quick judgement, you will see a change that will wipe all this out.

All this happens just because the law is a huge fail. And the price for that is paid equally by both the dogs and humans.

[RNair]

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Poochie, a street stray that we rescued. It lives on 3 legs and left front limb is broken.

[abhi]

So, what about the stats I remember reading a long time ago that these strays are the ones that keep the rodent population in check. Cannot remember if there was a conclusive outcome of that report.

I think if the strays were to go, the rats will surface.

[RNair]

At the numbers these strays roam around and breed and cause health threats they are the rodents themselves.

[abhi]

I havent adopted few to my home cause of my mum (she only like animal kids), but I have paid to sterilize dogs in my area. in my own building a pair of dogs live with bucket loads of cats . My GF has adopted 3 stray Dogs at her home & takes care of dogs in her area, her first step is to sterilize & vaccinate any dog she finds abandoned, most surprisingly pets!!! probably one reason I find her area dogs a little cocky..they kill cats & have quite a few dog fights too, though nothing towards humans as such. BTW she even takes care of any hurt animal & takes them to SPCA for treatment. Earlier SPCA would keep Stray Dogs (abandoned pets) but they've stopped this now, cause most never get adopted back. most of these pets are not sterilized & lead to new dogs, and SPCA never puts healthy Dogs or puppies to sleep.

I'm fully in support of sterilization that is the best way of controlling numbers not mindless killing. Even putting to sleep rabies laden or highly diseased dogs is good step cause not only does it put them out of misery but also saves others, which we have done a few times too.

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Well yes one may crash because of a dog, cause possibly stopping may not be an option always. Yes it's a bad thing to happen and putting out dogs may reduce the chances, so what to do of the crashes due to irrant drivers, surely we would want them to die but is that really a solution? so why have a different lens for an animal?

Yes I'm aware people die, they also die of because of Leopards here? how about the great white shark-a classic example of human sanity & what impact it had! What we need to understand is, if a Dog or any animal decides to really hunt humans down then you or me wont be able to fight back. Humans is not on the food menu for any animal. Also a Dog bite is an urban thing, reason you can deduce why.

This is the same attitude which Farmers & Villagers have against Tigers, Leopards & other carnivores which eat their cattle sometimes them too!!! So is Tiger, Leopard killing justified then? No right, use the same yardstick I say.

This is how life bounces friends, is eradicating everything which poses a risk or causes a problem a solution? is my only humble submission.

[RNair]

WHat is the statistics of human deaths and bites from the great cats compared to stray dogs? I think more humans have killed the big cats and not the other way. Where do you come with such comparisons? Again you brought in the motorists!

Did u read the statistics I provided earlier and other have provided.

Anyways I am done here. Got nothing more to add and the topic has been beaten down from both camps. Next time I see a child die from a stray dog bite I will make sure to hold you accountable at least in my conscience.

Ciao.

[deepakvrao]

kk,

Expounding on what you and GF do for strays makes no bloody difference in the argument. Like Rajesh, I'm done here too. Only when one of you 'stray lovers' get affected, will you realize the dangers.

[bubbu64]

Only when one of you 'stray lovers' get affected, will you realize the dangers.

Doc , you sure those stray lovers will survive to tell the tale if they get bitten by a rabid dog?