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I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby Minkey Chief » December 15th, 2011, 11:11 pm

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As I was saying to some friends, I haven't seen a 72 on a scale since I stepped on a big lit-up machine on Brigade Road with a little coloured disc that spun as the machine spat out a little cardboard rectangle with my weight stamped on one side, my fortune on the other.

I'm posting this because I realised that a lot of people still focus on fat as the thing to cut back on to lose weight. Cutting back on fat did nothing to my fat deposits, or caused only the slightest shift. I saw big changes only after targeting starchy carbs: rice, pasta and bread (I was never much of a potato eater). This includes whole wheat bread and brown rice.

I've largely replaced those calories with fruit and vegetable (don't forget, these are carbs as well). However, and this should be of interest to people who love food, I have no hard and fast rules. I haven't gone crazy here--just watchful. Every Friday, my wife and I eat deep-fried, oily, spicy Sichuan dishes with a ton of rice. Saturday is often another meal outside--maybe a good burger or more Chinese food (we live in an area with great Chinese food). I have no hesitation about eating good stuff like bacon or fatty braised pork or rib-eye steaks or deep-fried chicken.

I do, however, balance it. A heavy lunch will be followed by a light dinner; a bad weekend by a good week (with a cheat meal or two!). In fact my body now demands that--I just cannot eat the way I used to.

A few things:

1) It's hard in the beginning. Eating platefuls of rice or piles of rotis is, in the end, simply feeding your body sugar. You are addicted and you are driven to eat more than you need--that's just how we're set up. You WILL have some degree of withdrawal--irritability, extreme hunger, tiredness.

2) Good things happen quickly. Once the cold turkey goes away, it's replaced with a great feeling of lightness and energy. Meals actually energise, and don't make you feel over-full or bloated or sleepy.

3) Meals keep you full without seeming to fill you. If you are eating some meat and a lot of vegetables, or even, on some "good" days, just salad for lunch, you'll be amazed at how long it keeps you full, and how non-cravey your hunger is when it does appear. When the rice/bread/pasta is all processed, the crash makes you crave more starchy stuff and it's a true craving--you can't resist stuffing yourself silly again.

4) Making the rich food a treat actually makes it more enjoyable.

5) Sometimes I remind myself to look for pleasure in the hours, not the minutes. Fatty/deep-fried/starchy carb loaded meals are delightful to eat. One of the best of life's experiences--I truly love this kind of food. But once the eating is done, I can't deny they do not feel good. You feel sluggish, sleepy, fat. You have indigestion, can't sleep well and the next morning isn't a lot of fun either. So sometimes, I do play a slightly long game and say, "Yes, I'm denying myself this now, but guess what, I'll feel GREAT about it in 10 minutes". And I almost always do. If I don't, I eat it--I'm not here to make myself miserable.

6) Apart from treat meals, I still eat bread/rice just before, during or after a hard or long ride. Since my rice eating is on the weekend and my long rides are also on the weekend, I think it really helps.


How much cutting back? On average:
Rice: From every day or at least every other day to once or twice on the weekend
Pasta: From 3/4 times a week to never. (No rule, just don't miss it even though I LOVE spaghetti with pesto.)
Bread: From every day to once or twice a week, usually just before a ride

Of course, this will be a lot harder in Bangalore when there are lunch meets, family outings, dinner parties and weddings galore. Also, Indian food without rice or roti is like half the pleasure gone. At the same time out here in Cali, I'm very aware it's our last few months, so I tend to eat out a fair amount. So as I said, you don't need to go crazy to lose the weight.

Also, I've been doing strength exercises and eating protein, so I'm not losing muscle weight. I hope. Silk Smitha thighs on Keira Knightley's body seems to be the general model for cyclists who lose weight.

Oh almost forgot! What about performance on the bike? Better than ever. I feel that my energy is more predictable day to day, and less prone to fast drops in performance after a hour or two on the bike. I feel better on the bike than I ever have before. touch wood and all. Yes my training has changed, but I noticed the improvements from the eating before the big changes in my training.

Also, I haven't been ill since I started eating like this. A couple of colds threatened, but Zicam seemed to send them on their way.

Thanks for reading and I really hope this helps someone. I've noticed quite a few riders (even some "seniors") wondering why they aren't losing weight even though they are riding a lot. Usual disclaimers apply--I'm not a coach, I'm not a nutritionist, what works for me may not work for you etc.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby Minkey Chief » December 15th, 2011, 11:16 pm

Just to stress, I haven't simply cut out the rice/bread/pasta, but that I'm replacing those calories with vegetables and fruit. It's a pain--it's a lot of washing and chopping and chewing. But day to day feels good enough to take the trouble.

Oh and the reason for the thread title--I'm entering the lower range of my recommended weight, so starting to get concerned that I might be losing too much. The rate of loss has slowed though, and I'm usually in the 73, low-74 range when well-hydrated.
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I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby vkalia » December 16th, 2011, 12:26 am

Good timing on this thread, as Sumit just pronounced me fat. I'll try some of those tips.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby Minkey Chief » December 16th, 2011, 6:23 am

vkalia wrote:as Sumit just pronounced me fat.


You're going to have to publicly rend him limb from limb, you know that right? Otherwise you'll send out the message that it's okay to disrespect the Guads.





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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby deepakvrao » December 16th, 2011, 7:38 am

Very nice post MC. Thanks. Encouraging too, and congrats on the awesome results.

Have also cut down on grain and managed some weight loss. Just having only meat or salad 3-4 evenings a week.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby balu » December 16th, 2011, 9:29 am

Thanks for the post MC.
I've been struggling with my weight for about a year now. I'm running quicker and longer and riding harder, but my wt. has become a monotonically increasing function of time.
Being a veggie doesn't help either :( I'm planning to replace one meal a day with only veggies and egg white. I hope that works for me.

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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby Anool » December 16th, 2011, 9:47 am

well written with some nice advice. I seem to have the opposite problem - just don't put on any weight no matter how much or what I eat. It's been a constant 60 ever since I remember.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby krishnas » December 16th, 2011, 10:13 am

AWESOME post, Minkey.
This one goes into the same league as the "Some mixed-up, contradictory thoughts at 10,000 kilometres ".

On topic, I have NOT been plagued by weight issues for a long while myself. So taking the liberty to add my own experience on this thread. (hope thats ok!!!)

Here are my own rules towards eating:
- I rarely eat rice. The only time I eat rice here in Hyderabad is in the form of Biryani which is the best thing about Hyderabad.
- I do eat Breads (brown sliced version as well as Rotis) but am not a big hogger. 3 rotis a good for me in a big meal.
- I eat a ton of veggies.
- Very Very less oil consumed.. in general. My average meal in the week is very boring and very low on oil.
- Fruits, well thats my area to work upon. Dont eat enough fruits. :(
- Cheat meals: very important, and they are what keep me on target towards not digressing from a healthy diet plan. I have 1 or 2 cheat meals a week.
- Alcohol: well, not a guzzler but, I need a drink or 2 once in a while. Avoid beer and prefer wine, but cant keep off the good thing for too long. 3-4 times a month, I would have a drink for sure.

Moderation is the key word with the occasional Cheat Meal to keep you sane :)
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby abhirama » December 16th, 2011, 10:45 am

Thanks for this post. Perfect timing. Just when I got really serious (and I must admit, a little anxious :P) about weight loss. I'll keep in mind all these tips.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby kk27 » December 16th, 2011, 11:03 am

Good one Chief.

I've been on the same path for some time now, but my weight shot up with just a few Roadblocks. Just before France I had hit 68kgs, but post PBP I enjoyed France as much I could till I was there and then with friend coming over from the US my weight went upto 75kgs by end of Oct. Now I'm back at 73kg and again I'm striving for a 68. But My primary problem is not of weight rather of loosing the little fat on my body ( belly & love handles) :(, and still not able to find a solution.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby manmeet.sahni » December 16th, 2011, 11:30 am

Very nice post and congrats on the effort. Agree with most of your points and have been following a routine myself, which helped me lose some 5kgs in the last 6 weeks or so. No diet, just basic stuff like more meals in the day, light dinner, good breakfast, more sleep etc. Not much workout, only over the weekend, which has 150km of cycling and 2 hours of badminton on both days.

I was just wondering - from your chart, how did you lose close to 3kgs from 25/7 to 08/08?? I mean, that's a lot for a 15day period, or am I seeing it wrong?
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby vikramkc » December 16th, 2011, 11:34 am

I seem to have the opposite problem - just don't put on any weight no matter how much or what I eat. It's been a constant 60 ever since I remember.


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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby satyaprakash P. lele » December 16th, 2011, 11:43 am

Well written and will be helpful to many.
But the ones who like to keep the tummy full all the times will go their own jolly way and add some more layers of fat.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby bblost » December 16th, 2011, 11:44 am

By replacing rice/ pasta with veggies, what do you mean.

Are these eaten raw or cooked.

Coming from a completely non-veg background, I have limited knowledge of veg food.
In fact while I can cook most non-veg dishes all the way from slaughtering the animal till the final dish. I am LOST when it comes to veg.

Please share some recipes. I would really appreciate it.

Raw vegetables I like to consume are Carrots and Spinach.
In Boiled form: Beets and Potatoes.

I might as well replace my office cafeteria lunch(which I HATE) with such stuff.

Thanks a lot.
I don't mind coming to work, but this 6-hour wait to get back on the bike is irritating.
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Re: I guess there are worse problems in the world

Postby bonigv » December 16th, 2011, 5:39 pm

Very nice Minkey. Thanks for the reminder. I say so because this was an important lesson that I should not have forgotten ever - not after the great results it produced once. For a three month period, last year I replaced my usual dinner of rice accompanied by non-veg hungama with a great wokky stir fry of chicken and fresh veggies (Peppers, Onions, Mushrooms, carrots, Spinach or other greens, beans etc. picked a few for every day). Produced fantabulous results. I think I lost about 4kgs and felt greater than ever. I have been thinking about reintroducing that regimen for long enough. Now is the time. Once again thanks for the post and meal ideas.
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